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Old 02-19-2009, 01:05 PM   #1
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I've used creatine monohydrate with good results however I usually gain 5 lbs to go along with it from water retention (I think). Is there a creatine product that produces the strength and stamina gains that does not make you hold more water? Thanks
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:07 PM   #2
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Then what would the point of creatine be if you didnt retain water? The water should be intramuscular. If you feel you look bloated you are probably gaining fat from consuming excess calories. Now using a contaminated product could cause bloat and maybe GI distress. But I really highly doubt the substance creatine itself is what is causing you to be bloated. The increased water uptake by the muscle cells is one of the positives of creatine. Also personally I would stick with monohydrate as it has been tested time again against all the new variations of creatine and still reigns supreme. I know there have been past discussions on the board here about creatine. What product are you using. If I may suggest I have always put my trust in the Primaforce brand. So look into them if you are willing to try a different product out.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:24 PM   #3
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try CEE
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:41 PM   #4
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try CEE
Monohydrate has been proven to be more effective though.
http://www.clutchfitness.com/forums/...light=creatine

Please read the link above. Actually anyone contemplating which creatine should really read that. It will save you a lot of money in the long run. Creatine monohydrate is by far the cheapest version of creatine out there.

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After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.
when they say CM they are referring to creatine monohydrate.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:41 PM   #5
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Do not try CEE, it's pointless and a waste of money.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:54 PM   #6
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Do not try CEE, it's pointless and a waste of money.
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Old 02-19-2009, 05:37 PM   #7
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Homo.

It's true though, I used to be big on CEE, then I switched back to monohydrate to compare them nearly back to back and I'll never go back to CEE again. It just plain works better and it's cheaper to boot.
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:42 PM   #8
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The product I used was just the cheap creatine monohydrate at Planetary nutrition. Looks like I'll just be sticking with it. I guess my question is also with the CM is it still possible to get fairly lean (10% bf range) while using or does that water retention make it difficult to cut). Thanks for the responses!
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:49 PM   #9
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The product I used was just the cheap creatine monohydrate at Planetary nutrition. Looks like I'll just be sticking with it. I guess my question is also with the CM is it still possible to get fairly lean (10% bf range) while using or does that water retention make it difficult to cut). Thanks for the responses!
is this lean enough? This was with taking creatine while dieting down. You are still hung up on the water retention bit. It is intramuscular water retention...which means it shouldnt be making your skin look bloat but your muscles....which should help with making you appear fuller.

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Old 02-19-2009, 10:26 PM   #10
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Good points Nic.. and damn youre ripped!
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Nic, that is a great physique.
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omg i got totally pwned in this thread..
xD if i get some research to back my shit up you guys better apologize
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omg i got totally pwned in this thread..
xD if i get some research to back my shit up you guys better apologize
You wont so therefore I will not be apologizing
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Some more info regarding CEE and how worthless it is

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Creatine ethyl ester did not show any additional benefit to increase muscle strength or performance than creatine monohydrate or maltodextose placebo. Additionally, total body mass, fat mass, fat-free mass, and thigh muscle mass were not significantly enhanced with creatine ethyl ester supplementation compared to placebo or creatine monohydrate groups. Increases in body water were similar to the placebo and creatine monohydrate groups. The vast majority of the improvement observed in the present study can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation. Since creatine ethyl ester supplementation showed a large increase in serum creatinine levels throughout the study with no significant increase in serum and total muscle creatine content, it can be concluded that a large portion of the creatine ethyl ester was being degraded within the GI tract after ingestion. Furthermore, it appears that the skeletal muscle uptake of creatine ethyl ester uptake was not significant enough to increase skeletal muscle creatine levels without significant degradation to creatinine occurring.
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Great pic's Nic - how recent are they?
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Great pic's Nic - how recent are they?
I think that was last spring.
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Any progress since then?....
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Any progress since then?....
I would hope so lol. I mean I dont have that conditioning. It is pretty unrealistic for me to keep that kind of shape year round.
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****ing A Nic mad props on that physique!!! I always look forward to reading your replies as well since you always give a good answer with info to back it up!
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