[Watcher]

We all know the killer prohormones are banned and running hundreds on Ebay, and I'll be the first to admit I sold a few bottles for over $300 bucks on Ebay to get rid of what was left from my stash from a few years ago, but what's new and what works as good, better, or even what's a joke?

Anybody been trying any of the new products and seeing results? I know that the Advanced Muscle Science 1-ad-4ad stack worked well for me a year ago, nothing like Ergopharm's old gear, but I just want to see what may be good out there for a supp junkie like me to take a glance at.

Thanks for all the input.

I'm going to wait a few more years, or one or two, to start the real deal because I feel I have some natty test still in there even though I'm getting older, and just to think when I met all you guys who have known me for a while I was 23......dude, age = suck!

[big]

i took the old banned stuff.
i wish i knew where to get it without having any legal problems.
ive taken 4 phs.
4 of the top recommended ones.
Fireproof will not like me saying this,and again im certainly not telling anyone else to do this.
i took one of the most poplar phs,even though its pretty mild.
and i posted that i got good results from it.
what i didnt say was i ended up taking 8 a day,for a period of 5 weeks.
this was after starting with 2 a day for a week then 3 a day for a week then 4 a day for 2 weeks,and getting zero out of it.
i did get some decent results with 8 a day,but 8 a day thats scary.
im fine, no sides everything is where its supposed to be.
i dont know what to think about these phs.
ive done similar cycles with several other phs.
and ended up at 8 a day for the last several weeks to get anything out of it.
again i am not advising anyone to do this.

[Fireproof]

Many of the past designers are available as clones or are very close. Although I haven't really been keeping up with the various names of the clones. Of course clones may or may not be exactly like the original, and may or may not have the same quality control as bigger companies, so you have to be careful.

- Superdrol was basically oral masteron. While it doesn't aromatize, some have reported delayed gyno. There were a variety of clones, but I think they are harder to find now. Not sure what is still out there.

- Halodrol-50 was basically oral turinabol. There are some clones available of this (H-drol and such). Be aware that Gaspari has some new "Halodrol Gelcaps" out now that aren't the original - it's just some herbal formulation. I hate when people use original names to maarket totally different products like that.

- Phera-Plex (PP) is a recent one that some folks have liked. I don't think it's available as the originals, but clones should be around.

- Epistane is currently available. Lots of folks like this. It is milder on effects, but also milder on sides.

- Havoc was thought to be the same as Epistane, only from a different company. But I've seen people report that they felt different effects with it versus Epistane. So who knows.

- Epidrol I think is like a combo of Epistane and something else.

- Ergomax LMG / e...Max - was effective but is gone.


That's what comes to mind real quickly...

[Ozz]

You can still find those Halodrol tabs on ebay and few-and-far-between retailers. Premium costs are naturally associated. A friend of mine at the gym picked some up and loved it, though even w/proper dieting and training he lost a lot of the "leanness" he obtained while on it. I'm not sure how precise he is w/dieting but I know he's no fool. Take that FWIW

[stri8ted]

I'll give you the hottest by sales/feedback:

Myogenix Spawn
Epistane

Anabolic Xtreme is also releasing 3-AD in a week or so and that will probably be very good. It was designed by the owner of Designer Supplements who originally formulated Superdrol, which was basically the best seller ever, except for maybe 1-AD by Ergopharm.

[stri8ted]

Originally Posted by MansonOzz

You can still find those Halodrol tabs on ebay and few-and-far-between retailers. Premium costs are naturally associated. A friend of mine at the gym picked some up and loved it, though even w/proper dieting and training he lost a lot of the "leanness" he obtained while on it. I'm not sure how precise he is w/dieting but I know he's no fool. Take that FWIW

H-Drol and Hemadrol would also be options at a much cheaper price.

[Ironteenrich]

Originally Posted by Fireproof

- Epistane is currently available. Lots of folks like this. It is milder on effects, but also milder on sides.

- Havoc was thought to be the same as Epistane, only from a different company. But I've seen people report that they felt different effects with it versus Epistane. So who knows.

Havic/EPI Alot of people like/use these for 4 weeks. Requires SERM Pct. Most people lean out and gain muscle, and keep most of it after good pct. Great strength gains also on this. Very mild side effects from what I have seen, most people get leathergetic (Sp)

ARLI Jungle Warfare is liked by alot of people for the first cycle, most people don't receive that much results on a second cycle. Use it for 8 weeks, doesn't kick in fully till about end of second weeek. It is debatable if you need PCT after, but most people recommend 6-oxo pct to be safe run it for 4 weeks tapering down. Very mild side effects same as havic with lethergy

Bold 200 is newer and people have had mixed views on it. Takes 3 weeks to kick in fully, recommended for 8 weeks @ 600mg week. Mild side's if stacked with I Force Testabolan.... something by the same company. If you run solo people notice lethargy and libedo loss more then when stacked. 6-oxo PCT

Those are the only three that I have really looked into... I wouldn't run bold, alot of people don't seem to hang out to gains at all after PCT from what I have seen. It is also very mild, and since you have used PH's in the past I doubt it would give you the greatest gains ran solo.

M1T is methynated version of test safer/cleaner to just use injectible... less harsh on your liver, ect ect

superdrol clones are really potent too, but so are the sides.

P.s. PH's are more toxic then injectibles so keep that in mind. The more reading i have done on the topic points that steriods are actually safer, less sides, keep more of your gains... can be cheaper then alot of the designers, better on your liver, better gains...

[floods]

Epidrol = Havoc

They're the same compound: 2a, 3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

[Fireproof]

Originally Posted by omgwtf

Epidrol = Havoc

They're the same compound: 2a, 3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

Oh okay. I didn't bother to look. I thought I had read it was a combo, but must've misread, or the source was wrong. Thanks.

[floods]

Originally Posted by Fireproof

Oh okay. I didn't bother to look. I thought I had read it was a combo, but must've misread, or the source was wrong. Thanks.

Nope, just dipping into both markets.

[Lucci]

Has anyone seen this Testanate 50 from Black Dragon Labs? I hear guys ranting and raving about it on other sites. However, it seems quite toxic to me (two methyls). Superdrol, Phera Plex and Finigenex Magnum in one pill:

17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b ol

Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione

2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol


Plus, the recommended dosage is two pills a day, where I would think one would be more than enough given what I have read about dosing protocols for Superdrol--one T50 pill has 20 mg of Superdrol, which is all one should take in a day, as I gathered from my own research. I don't know about this one. It may work, but it may not be worth it.

[stri8ted]

D-Drol is also a similar stack as testanate. I dont think there is any question as to it working well. Superdrol itself produces enormous gains and Phera and Tren are also known for great size and strength. You may want to try 1 of these compounds first as they all work quite well by themselves and stacking isnt always necessary. IMO less is best, if it gets the job done. A lot of guys can gain 7 to 12lbs on Xtreme Tren, which is simply 1 of these and not methylated.

[Lucci]

Oh, I wasn't planning on taking the testanate50. It looks like it can be quite toxic on the liver. I was just putting it out there because so many seem to be talking about it on other sites, and thought I would mention it and add a word of caution to anyone thinking about it (sorry if it didn't come out that way). IMHO, I don't think this product is worth taking; and I have never heard of Black Dragon Labs, so who knows about quality control. However, I could very well be wrong, but I rather err on the side of caution; some of these ph's scare me a little.

[Tybalt]

Wish I could get some of this stuff in Mexico.

I would like some epistane.

I ordered 2 bottles, but customs took them.
Bitches

[Ironteenrich]

Originally Posted by Tybalt

Wish I could get some of this stuff in Mexico.

I would like some epistane.

I ordered 2 bottles, but customs took them.
Bitches

Can't you just get the real stuff in mexico?

[stri8ted]

Originally Posted by Tybalt

Wish I could get some of this stuff in Mexico.

I would like some epistane.

I ordered 2 bottles, but customs took them.
Bitches

Yeah, we had to stop shipping to Mexico all together because almost everything got seized and destroyed.

[Tybalt]

What real stuff would you compare with epistane then.
Im not aware there is something like that.

[Fireproof]

Really - AAS aren't illegal in Mexico, right? If not - you might as well go with them, instead of the designer steroids. In most cases, the designers/prohormones (that aren't made up crap) simply require an enzymic or other chemical interaction before becoming an active hormone. These alterations allow them to take advantage of a loophole in federal law.

But - the alteration requires an extra step in the body, making it somewhat less effective than the real deal, and potentially more toxic if it's methylated (although the toxicity is many times blown out of proportion on the internet).

Anyway...as said above:
- Superdrol is basically masteron.
- Halodrol is basically turinabol.
- etc.
There are several effective orals if you don't want to stick yourself. But if you ask anybody, if you are going to go down this path, and it's not illegal where you live, you should get over the fear of pinning and go with a testosterone based cycle. Assuming you are old enough, well educated on everything involved, and understand the risks.

[Little Big Guy]

Donde Esta Pharmacia and El Veteranario???!!!

[Watcher]

WOW! Awesome thread, great replies! Lots of knowledge has come around, I love it! Definitely interesting and educational!

[ZDrax]

I've heard that pro-hormones have a greater potential for adverse side effects compared to their steroidal brethren. True?

[Ozz]

Often, yes.

[floods]

Originally Posted by ZDrax

I've heard that pro-hormones have a greater potential for adverse side effects compared to their steroidal brethren. True?

Yeah, anything that requires conversion to become active is going to cause more issues. The only real positive to PH's (aside from legality) is that they generally have a short half-life and you can clear them out of your system pretty quickly if you have problems.